[PAB]

Dear all

For some reason creating a new post allows me to upload images whereas to reply to Andrew's Buck Prints thread doesn't!.

Anyhow. I attach a book scan of the Samuel Buck engraving of Sheriff Hutton dated 1721.

I also include some recent photo's of Sheriff Hutton castle in ruins and some photo's of Bolton Castle. It has been suggested that Samuel Buck used Bolton as a model for his engraving of Sheriff Hutton.

I have seen today a book illustration of Samuel Buck's sketchbook page of Sheriff Hutton of 1721 or 1723 and the castle is very ruinous in this sketch much like it appears today.

Why on earth would Buck do this when all his other engravings appear to be true to life at the time?. Perhaps the Sheriff Hutton engraving really is Bolton and mis-labelled?.

Any suggestions?.

Cheers

Peter

Sheriff Hutton Castle



Bolton Castle

[Gordon]

I don't think the Bucks would have deliberately misrepresented the castles. There are a variety of possibilities,
1. mislabeling as you suggested, possibly by the engraver rather than Buck.
2.They may have misidentified the castle when they sketched it.
3.This is an additional sketch by a third party and misrepresented as Buck.
4.It may have been a 'reconstructive drawing'/ artists impression of how it once was, and the explanation omitted by printers error, or contained elsewhere in the original publication.
Maybe Andrew has some factual data on this.
Lovely pics.

[AJR]

Firstly, thanks Peter.

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For some reason creating a new post allows me to upload images whereas to reply to Andrew's Buck Prints thread doesn't!.

I will try and copy the image and place it in the Bucks Castle topic

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I don't think the Bucks would have deliberately misrepresented the castles. There are a variety of possibilities,
1. mislabeling as you suggested, possibly by the engraver rather than Buck.
2.They may have misidentified the castle when they sketched it.
3.This is an additional sketch by a third party and misrepresented as Buck.
4.It may have been a 'reconstructive drawing'/ artists impression of how it once was, and the explanation omitted by printers error, or contained elsewhere in the original publication.
Maybe Andrew has some factual data on this.

Looking at this sketch, I have a couple of points to make.
While the Buck's prints are not always entirely accurately represented (unlike Billings), they are normally a reasonable interpretation of what is there.

The first thing I noted was that the corner towers in the sketch are less massive than those of Bolton Castle.

The depiction of the rope-line around the castle seems to match that of Sheriff Hutton.

The depiction of Pontefract Castle by the Bucks is of the castle BEFORE it was demolished, so this may be a similar depiction.

The absence of the title of the sketch (top and bottom) does not help, but the style is certainly similar to the early Bucks.

Beyond that, I have no other information to hand, but will check my "library" at the weekend.

[Gordon]

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The first thing I noted was that the corner towers in the sketch are less massive than those of Bolton Castle.

I'd noticed differences in the entrance and windows too.
The missing title gives the clue and Andrew's comment on their sketch of Pontefract re-inforces my inclination that this might be a re-constructive drawing.

[Duncan]

Peter, I think I found the problem, give it another try.

[AJR]

I've uploaded it for him.

[Duncan]

Yup I know thanks but we still need to see if the problem is fixed, so Peter if you don't mind upload something to somewhere please. It can always be deleted later if you don't want to keep it posted

[PAB]

Hi all

Thanks for your replies to my 'Buck' post. It is intriguing isn't it?.

Anyhow, my uploading photo's capability is certainly available on this reply (file attachment buttons active at bottom of page). I'm going to have a look on Andrew's 'Buck' thread and see if the same is true there. I am hopeful that the problem is now solved (thanks).

Just back from a long week-end in Rome - hence the delayed reply (no 'proper' castles to speak of but some good medieval defensive towers, the famous Castel St Angelo (mausoleum for Emperor Hadrian) and of course all the brilliant Roman stuff).

Best

Peter B.

[Gordon]

It is intriguing, but then so is much of history and perhaps that is why so many of us are captivated by castles which are solid remnants of a long tale which has often been corrupted or peppered with gaps which draw us all in.
Thanks for your recent posts Peter, I'm particularly enjoying the pics of Sherriff Hutton, but especially the mystery you've set us.

[AJR]

I've found a copy of the Sheriff Hutton Buck's print up for sale on e-bay, and posted the full image in the Bucks' castle prints forum. For completeness, I'll post a copy here too. This does not actually shed any more light on the original question though.

The only thing it does show is that the picture IS a Buck's image.

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