AJR
Nov 28 2005, 09:14 AM
This one is aimed at Gordon, but if anyone else can assist, then please do.
Before I consider buying this tome (or any prints from it), can you tell me what the prints are like. I've seen the whole two volumes for sale at £135, but individual prints at £20.
There are two of Buittle Place in Dumfries and Galloway, and another of Caerlaverock, but I've no idea what they look like. Can you help here?
Thanks
Andrew
Duncan
Nov 28 2005, 10:04 AM
just my two cents, I can find no images on the net.
Gordon
Nov 28 2005, 03:54 PM
Never heard of the book, nor have I any idea of the quality of the prints.
At first I thought this might be a previously encountered mis-spel off Cardonald, but it turns out his name was Adam Lawson. He appears in 'The Burns Encyclopedia.
'Lawson, Adam de Cardonnel
An antiquary and numismatist who assisted Grose and, according to a letter from Burns to Findlater, was 'acquainted with the Captain's motions.' whatever that means I will leave to your imagination.
He died in 1820.
Not the castle prints, but Scran has a few of his drawings on the free site, judge for yourself,
http://www.scran.ac.uk/Unfortunately I can't post the entire link to the images, so I've downloaded the thumbnails I came across, and have e-mailed.
For more, just click the scran link above, and put his name in search box.
Duncan
Nov 28 2005, 03:58 PM
There are mentions of his books and of him on the web but couldn't find any images. They seem to have been pulled for some reason.
Gordon
Nov 28 2005, 04:23 PM
He doesn't appear in Keay's , but I think Cardonnel is an old usage of Dundonald, as opposed to Cardonald in this case.
Gordon
Nov 28 2005, 04:26 PM
Another Alternative for you Andrew, available from Amazon-'The Castle and Mansions of Ayshire-Illustrated in Seventy Views with Descriptive Accounts by AHMIllar FSA Scot 1885' Old photos, and good quality.
He also did one on Renfrewshire, which I used as a reference for the book, but unlike this one it's not yet available in Facsimile edition.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1...3757459-3347834
AJR
Nov 29 2005, 06:53 AM
Thanks for the scran link Gordon. I suspect the Cathcart and Crookston images are from the book I'm thinking about. I'm not entirely convinced I should fork out £135 for the tome, which apparently contains 50 vignette engravings, not all of them being castles. I'll hold fire for the moment.
http://www.maggs.com/title/EA5081.asp http://www.thorntonsbooks.co.uk/Christmas2005.html [IS0112] CARDONNEL, Adam De,. Picturesque Antiquities of Scotland.. 0, Two volumes, London, printed for the author and sold by Edwards in Pall-Mall; also by Edwards's, in Halifax, 1788; iv, 25, 12, 25pp., including 50 almost half-page sepia engravings of medieval and picturesque abbeys, monasteries, convents, and castles, printed on heavy paper above the text; contemporary half leather, marbled bds, double red morocco labels on the spines, armorial book-plate on front paste-downs; boards and corners rubbed. * Cardonnel lived in Edinburgh and his works on Scottish antiquities contributed to the revival of interest in the Gothic, as well as being part of the Picturesque movement. The perhaps unexpected extent of his influence seems to be attested by the fact that the style of this copy's binding shows that it was bound in Germany. Two more volumes on Scottish antiquities were published, or rather issued, in 1793. A delighful book. £135.00
Gordon
Nov 29 2005, 09:20 AM
Glad to be of help.
AJR
Nov 30 2005, 04:04 AM
The Cathcart and Crookston pictures, 1788, which apparently reside in the Glasgow City Libraries.
Gordon
Nov 30 2005, 07:58 AM
The Cathcart one looks similar to the drawings by MacGibbon & Ross, The Crookston one must be pre-restoration in Victorian times, but seems far from being 'anatomically' correct. With the tower to the left like that, the door should be on the 'vaulted'wall , the vaulting is running in the wrong direction, and seems to sit at second floor level, which could correspond with the ceiling of the hall, but ignores the vaulted basement, and the floor of the great hall, I could go on....but.
If they are in Glasgow they will be in the Mitchell Library. Having spent quite a bit of time in there, and they do have a collection of old images ( particularly photographic) which they will copy for you at a cost, I can't recall seeing either of these...they might be in store.
AJR
Nov 30 2005, 08:59 AM
Also came across this on the internet
Picturesque Antiquities of Scotland,
CARDONNEL, (Adam de).
Etched by Adam De Cardonnel.
50 etched vignettes.
First Edition. 2 parts bound together. 8vo. iv, 30 pp, [25]ff; 12pp, [25]ff. Bound in contemporary calf, marbled endleaves (rebacked, corners repaired).
London: for the Author, and sold by Edwards,
A further two parts were published in 1793. Each of the 50 unnumbered leaves has a finely etched vignette at the head and letterpress beneath, on the recto only, the verso being blank. Printed on thick paper. A very good clean copy. The work was intended as a supplement to Pennant's Tour in Scotland.
Gordon
Nov 30 2005, 09:32 AM
You're really quite keen on these aren't you.
AJR
Nov 30 2005, 09:40 AM
I wouldn't say keen - just curious.
Gordon
Nov 30 2005, 10:05 AM
Then why not on one of your alleged 'rest days' get yourself off to ye olde booke shoppe and have a look first hand?
Duncan
Nov 30 2005, 12:31 PM
Why aren't you taking more those rest days?
Gordon
Nov 30 2005, 02:13 PM
Good question.
I'm not taking "rest days". Just working "short days" (10am-4pm). Still means leaving home before 8:30am and arriving home around 5:30pm.
Next weekend I hope to go to a postcard fair in Canterbury, and pick up a few bargains. I've got my "wants" list ready, but will buy others if they are a bargain.
Gordon
Dec 1 2005, 04:52 AM
Sounds good.
Galla
Dec 1 2005, 08:02 AM
Wow - that is a short day?! Past a full day here for our government folks!
AJR
Dec 11 2005, 02:59 AM
Well, I DID go to my postcard fair. I made a few purchases of specific castles, some of which I had to pay a little more than usual for, as they were unusual views. I had a little extra money to spend this time, and came away with 51 castle postcards.
I also purchased five old prints, two of which I had resolved to purchase over the internet if I had any cash left over from the postcard fair. This way I definitely got a great bargain.

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I'll get these scanned when I have some free time.
Galla
Dec 12 2005, 04:07 PM
Congrats on the great luck! Looking forward to seeing them!
AJR
Dec 13 2005, 06:40 AM
You can find the newly purchased prints in the Castle Gallery, along with some of the postcards.
Gordon
Dec 13 2005, 07:49 AM
superb.
Duncan
Dec 14 2005, 10:23 AM
Thanks Andrew!!
Gordon
May 9 2008, 09:37 AM
Great stuff, another valuable resource on-line. I need to find time to read through it.
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