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Gordon
Kildrummy is a remarkable ruinous 13thc enclosure castle which succeeded an earlier motte and bailey castle which is evident in Kildrummy burial ground.
Built during the reign of Alexander II (1214-49), this castle of enclosure was roughly seven sided, with a twin-round towered gatehouse (possibly added later, the similarity to that at Harlech indicates that it may have been added by Edward 1 during the English occupation), two d-shaped towers at the turns of the shorter walls, and two large round towers at each end of the north wall. The larger of these towers is the Snow Tower, and like Bothwell, which had a similar original plan, is often compared to Coucy in France. The north wall supported a range of buildings on it's interior, and the entire structure surrounded by a complex of banks and ditches.



The gatehouse was protected by a barbican, and accessed via a drawbridge.

The original stone castle was built by Gilbert de Moray, Bishop of Caithness, and kinsman to the builder of Bothwell, Walter de Moravia.
It was captured by Edward 1 in 1296, and again by the English in 1306, when the brother of Robert the Bruce, Nigel was in charge of the defence. It was set alight by Osbourne the blacksmith, who was paid by the English in molten gold poured down his throat.

It was restored by 1333, and beseiged by the Earl of Atholl in 1335, on behalf of the English, but successfully defended by Christian Bruce, sister to Robert 1, and aunt to the young David II, and wife of Andrew de Moray the Regent. He lifted the siege, killing the traitor Atholl at the Battle of Culbean. David II then besieged and took it from the Earl of Mar in 1363.
Alexander Stewart, the son of Wolf of Badenoch acquired it by forcing Isabel Countess of Mar to marry him in 1404. He had possibly kidnapped her husband Sir Malcolm Drummond at Kindrochit.
Stewart subsequently led the King's army at the Battle of Harlaw in 1411.
Kildrummy was held by the crown from 1435, and survived an attack by the Erskines in 1442.
It was sacked by the 'freebooter' John Strachan of Lynturk in 1530.
It later came into the hands of the Cochranes, then the Elphinstones until 1606 when they were forced to cede it to the then Earls of Mar Erskines. It was captured by Cromwell's forces in 1654, burned by the Jacobites in 1690, and used by the Jacobite Earl of Mar as his headquarters when he raised the rebellion of 1715.

It came to the Gordons of Wardhouse in 1731. After the demise of Jacobitism it became the local quarry until the 19thc.
The ruins were stabilised in 1898, and around this time a 'secret' passage was discovered.
It came into state care in 1951.



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Alternative Names: Alford Castle; Kildrummie Castle; Culsh Burn; Black Den
Type of Site: Defence/ Castle; Tower-House; Chapel
NMRS Number: NJ41NE 4.00
Map reference: NJ 4548 1639
Parish: Kildrummy
Council: Aberdeenshire
Former District: Gordon
Former Region: Grampian

NJ41NE 4.00 45485 16390

NJ41NE 4.01 NJ 4549 1638 Grave-slab

(NJ 455 164) Kildrummy Castle (NR) (In Ruins)
OS 6" map (1902)

Kildrummy Castle - Fully described, illustrated and planned by Simpson.
W D Simpson 1965

Kildrummy Castle as described and illustrated in the MoW pamphlet.
Re-surveyed at 1/2500.
Visited by OS (NKB) 20 September 1968.

One of the few great castles of enclosure to have survived in Scotland from the high point of medieval Europrean castle building, Kildrummy's broken grey walls lie like giant shattered eggshells. Defended to the N by the steep natural den from which the stone for the castle was quarried, and with a broad ditch quarried on the other sides, in plan, Kildrummy is shield-shaped (with the flat top to the N).
It appears that the castle as first constructed in the early 13th century for Alexander II was a plain polygonal enclosure; this phase is represented by the coursed rubble of the E, W and S curtains. In the middle of the century the chapel was constructed, and, to achieve a true E-W axis, was allowed to breach the curtain (in a manner 'that defies rational and learned explanation'). Subsequently, possibly as a result of the visit if Edward I of England in 1296, the towers, the ashlar plinth of the N curtain and the gatehouse were added to produce a castle with remarkable similarities to the Edwardian castles of Harlech and Caernarvon, and, closer to Grampian, Bothwell, in Strathclyde.
Important early features of the interior include the archers' slits and prison in the Warden's tower (in the NE), the adjacent postern gate and portcullis, the great hall against the N curtain, and the great donjon or Snow Tower (in the NW) which follows early French models. Later refashioning of the tower-house included the Elphinstone tower, a 16th century tower-house at the W end of the hall and the bakehouse complex in the SE.
The castle saw many sieges, notably in 1306 when Sir Nigel Bruce (King Robert's brother) held it against the young Prince Edward of Caernarvon until betrayed by Osbarn the Smith (who was rewarded, it is said, by having the gold he had been promised poured molten down his throat). The castle was restored (most evident in the W curtain), besieged in 1335 by Balliol forces, burnt in 1530, captured by Cromwell in 1654, and became the headquarters of the Earl of Mar's Jacobite rising of 1715, after which it was demolished.
I A G Shepherd 1986.

(Air photographic cover listed: miscellaneous newspaper and additional references cited).
NMRS, MS/712/45.

NJ 454 163 An evaluation of the condition of the stone floor within the basement of the E gatehouse of Kildrummy Castle was undertaken in October 2001. The protective covering had recently been removed, and it was noted that this protection had been insufficient to prevent water and frost damage. The floor is eroded to various degrees across its area. There is little or no erosion around the extreme edges where tool marks are still visible.
Archive to be deposited in the NMRS.
Sponsor: HS
G Ewart and S Coulter 2002.

AJR
An engraving from "Old England".
Paul
That gatehouse really does look like the work of Master James of St George.
Gordon
I agree with you Paul.
Andrew, Why is Kildrummie in Old England, don't they know England stops at Watford? jester.gif
AJR
England stops at Watford !!!

Nah - it goes all the way to Inverness. Only that some strange-sounding people have decided to live in the area between Watford and Inverness.

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Paul
I thought that Scotland ended at York!
Well thats as far as far south that William Wallace got. I-LUV-ENG.gif

Geography was never my specialist subject. cool1.gif
Gordon
Ah you've been watching too much Braveheart, he only got to Durham!
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Only that some strange-sounding people have decided to live in the area between Watford and Inverness.

Thank goodness the Romans built that wall! rasp.gif

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Paul
I think that Hadrians wall was more of a trading post than anything else.
Just a way of control, the way that the Romans liked things.
The population of Scotland was and still is much smaller than England
and I believe that the wall was built as a means of gathering taxes
and just seeing who was going where at the time.
Paul
Braveheart?...............what a load of emo1.png !
Princess of of Wales and stuff?
Is he an ocker or a Yank?
Hollywood BS..............or am I getting too serious here computore.gif
Gordon
The Picts certainly didn't find it too much of an obstacle for raids south of the wall, it may be it was provided more as a psychological barrier.

Back to Kildrummy, compare the gatehouse plan to the foundations of the never built original gatehouse at Bothwell of the same date...interesting, since it dates to pre- the wars of independance, ie before 1296.
Construction of Bothwell began sometime after 1246, probably about 1250, but construction of the gatehouse foundations are probably much closer to the 1290's.
Incidently, Bothwell and Kildrummy being compared to Coucy fits in well with the Morays/ Moravia's going to France to arrange the Royal marriage of Alexander II to Marie de Coucy, a marriage which took place in 1239.
Gordon
Braveheart, yup, grossly historically inacurate.
Randall Wallace based the Screenplay on Blind Harry's Wallace, later translated by Hamilton of Gilbertfield. Harry was indulging in a piece of theatrical hero worship as opposed to relating historical fact.
Paul
Yup
Gordon
Nope, that's the way Archibald the Grim finished it later in the 14thc,

This is the plan showing the foundations of the never completed gatehouse re-discovered late in the 1890's.

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Paul
I've always thought the Robert Bruce was more of a Scots hero than Wallace.
William seemed more image than substance.
Paul
Wow........thanks!
I'm nicking that one!
Gordon
Despite the outcomes, Bruce still has mixed press because he played a shrewd political game, and changed sides a couple of times, though never fought at Falkirk on the English side as Braveheart suggests. Wallace was a folk hero, and survived in folklore. The English destroyed most of our national records in a propaganda exercise attempting to remove evidence of a national identity. Other than official English records of Wallace as an 'outlaw', only a letter signed by both he and Moray to the Merchants of Lubeck survives, and it is this that shows he had been guardian. Other than that it's all folk tales and Myth, and for the story to survive for such a long time by word of mouth, and Harry's later poetic work says a great deal about how medieval Scotland viewed his role. Remember also that the Bruce faction also conducted their own campaign to justify his enthronement, and in Barbour's Bruce, which also details the story of the Wars of Independance, Wallace is not even mentioned!
Paul
Say what you will but I still think the Robert Bruce was the mightier warrior.
He is a man that I admire well above William Wallace.
There is a problem with Scottish and English history during those times, I guess that its called propoganda?
Also, I'm interested to know what knowledge that the Normans would have possesed about the Roman invasion of Britain in AD.43 until AD 410. and why they made an attempt to "subdue" the Scots in the early 11th Century.
Gordon
Who made an attempts to subdue the scots in the early 11thc? William 1 did later but that was because he wanted to ensure his border was secure, but Malcolm Canmore was a bit of a chancer and thought he saw an oppotunity to reclaim a bit of Cumbria and Northumbria, and so provoked him. That's why William came north, Malcolm had provoked him, then backed off after forcing an oath of fealty, which at the time had no meaning to the Scots, though was important to William. There were Normans here before that, a few had come by invitation of Macbeth, as some had gone to England to provide your 'pre-conquest mottes'.

Re Bruce, sheer patriotism and passion could not win the day, that's why Wallace found himself an early death but also why the people loved him. The brain of Bruce was required to win it, and I agree he was the man.
Gordon
Incidently, by process of elimination, showing that the other Earls were elswhere, Nigel Tranter convincingly argued that it was Bruce who knighted Wallace, since in those days only a belted Earl or a King could pronounce knighthood.
Gordon
Paul, if you admire Bruce so much, get this, all other books pale into insignificance, indeed, they all refer to it or aren't worth the money!
Robert Bruce & The Community of the Realm of Scotland
It's good for anyone interested in Scotland England or Europe at the turn of the 14thc, it gives a great insight into what life was like and about.
Paul
Thanks Gordon, I took delivery of two books today so I'll have to wait for my funds to build up again but I'll certainly be buying a copy.
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