Ok. So now Im getting happy with the posting. This ones called the Basic Layout. Its quite subject to change as I dont go for the "square look". Topography and other things will affect it also. But the basic idea here is that i want space and different areas and some degree of segregation of those spaces.
Here's the rundown of what i expect to remain basically as it's drawn (though definately shuffled around): Drawbridge will be stationary; the idea is to drive over it through the gatehouse (which will be modled after Bodiam as I like their portcullis set-up).
The keep : I have no idea yet but it won't be a box. :no-no:
Im not sure what arrangement to have the misc. buildings section in - I know that theres surposed to be something that goes there but dont know what just yet. Im not thrilled about the idea of having a hall. Maybe it's just because I dont understand the use of one. Naturally, who could do without their own "Beerchug Tavern"? - don't know what i plan to do along those lines ...we'll see what develops.
I like the idea of the two guest towers and their ext. design with the stairwells etc. those will probably stay like that. The gardens and ruins are accessed from the courtyard via the pass-thru archways between the towers.
Temp help quaters are located outside the curtain wall (probably next to the industrial gate) though it isnt shown.
The moat : I hope to divert a stream. Otherwise Ill have to come up with circulation/filtration ideas. On the right side, it's just for show. I wanted it to wrap around somewhat for aestetics. On the left side the moat would turn into a pond perhaps with an island.
On the wildlife side, the area has quite a bit of deer and other critters. We expect that if we pull this off we'll have a regular farm going on.
Full Version: Building Your Own Castle..... Revisited
Nice to be back in touch. 
The chef is an old friend of mine. I spent a litle time telling him about the idea and he pretty much jived wll with it and so we continued to talk it over and it just happenend to turn out well that he run the tavern and food issues and all of that. Ive seen his work nad if you remember how I am about professionalism, I was more than satisfied with the products he produced (made killer thanksgiving stufing too :eyebrow: )
Might be a while before I get fully back on the horse here. But heck, Ill accept the welcome.... adn while Im at it... just to make it feel like home... :beerchug: ...ahhhh. thanks.
Check this out: The chef and I went up on mountain tops and to the top of skycrapers as a practical exerceise to figure out how much land was really needed - then we went home and figured out that whereas I used to think Id need 30-40 acres, really the figure is 60 and it could be as large as 80 acres; that would be the largest, though.
Currently, we have a real estate agent researching prices of lots of land in its intended construction site.
Cant wait to see the price tag... :shocked: Im going to have to find a way to knock down the price that isnt illegal...
more later when I know.
Scott drinks moat*#@er.
"... if you build it... they will come"
The chef is an old friend of mine. I spent a litle time telling him about the idea and he pretty much jived wll with it and so we continued to talk it over and it just happenend to turn out well that he run the tavern and food issues and all of that. Ive seen his work nad if you remember how I am about professionalism, I was more than satisfied with the products he produced (made killer thanksgiving stufing too :eyebrow: )
Might be a while before I get fully back on the horse here. But heck, Ill accept the welcome.... adn while Im at it... just to make it feel like home... :beerchug: ...ahhhh. thanks.
Check this out: The chef and I went up on mountain tops and to the top of skycrapers as a practical exerceise to figure out how much land was really needed - then we went home and figured out that whereas I used to think Id need 30-40 acres, really the figure is 60 and it could be as large as 80 acres; that would be the largest, though.
Currently, we have a real estate agent researching prices of lots of land in its intended construction site.
Cant wait to see the price tag... :shocked: Im going to have to find a way to knock down the price that isnt illegal...
more later when I know.
Scott drinks moat*#@er.
"... if you build it... they will come"
MILK THIRTY!!! CHUG 'EM!!!
:beerchug: :) again! :beerchug: :love: again! :beerchug: :p AGAIN! :beerchug: :dozingoff:
ok, that's enough...
:beerchug: :) again! :beerchug: :love: again! :beerchug: :p AGAIN! :beerchug: :dozingoff:
ok, that's enough...
Glad to hear that things are going well, as to the normal, not around here, the only normal we have is the abnormal.
Where the heck did you find a chef that would do that? :beerchug:
Next question, who bought the rounds and paid the bar bill?
Thats a very good thing. :thumbs-up: You as a builder have to be able to invision the project, the intire project as well as the indeviual sections. :eek:
The love of castles is what does that,
it's some then strange that comes over us and makes us do things we would never have dreamt possible or feasible, was I talking about Love or castles??
Any way, :sigh: yeah I don't even know.
When you get ready to post those updated plans we have a new Picture Gallery that would be good for this sort of thing.
Put them in both places and have a photo album.
Looking forward to seeing them. :laughlong:
I've had scanner problems and was only able to put up in my album a few which I translated from my blueprints.
The Gallery is still under going some skin changes but is usable now as it is.
We also have a on site chat room if you ever want to get into a real time question and answer kind of talk, or to just BS, I'd be interested.
Just let me know when, how ever you can get in touch with me, shouldn't be hard around here LOL :spin:
Where the heck did you find a chef that would do that? :beerchug:
Next question, who bought the rounds and paid the bar bill?
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So mentally, I have been able to better envision the whole and thats a good thing as now the goal line is more deliniated.
Thats a very good thing. :thumbs-up: You as a builder have to be able to invision the project, the intire project as well as the indeviual sections. :eek:
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I started out thinking that I would do the minimum in order to achieve a "castle effect" then it moved towards realism and today it continues to creep more and more towards authenticity.
The love of castles is what does that,
it's some then strange that comes over us and makes us do things we would never have dreamt possible or feasible, was I talking about Love or castles?? Any way, :sigh: yeah I don't even know.
When you get ready to post those updated plans we have a new Picture Gallery that would be good for this sort of thing.
Put them in both places and have a photo album.
Looking forward to seeing them. :laughlong:
I've had scanner problems and was only able to put up in my album a few which I translated from my blueprints.
The Gallery is still under going some skin changes but is usable now as it is.
We also have a on site chat room if you ever want to get into a real time question and answer kind of talk, or to just BS, I'd be interested.
Just let me know when, how ever you can get in touch with me, shouldn't be hard around here LOL :spin:
Not sure at this time that I have better ways of doing what you have planned, so far everything you have posted seems very reasonable.
I might suggest a few things to make your project more realistic looking later on but so far your doing great.
Heres a few things I've had to deal with:
The walls are heavy and your need adequate support foundation wise or better yet if possible bed rock is preferred.
Heavy equipment will all most be a necessity for this job so your need to have a good road built.
We have a D 9 and a D 3 bulldozer, one tracked front end loader, several other heavies assessable for our use plus a dump truck or two and of course several other vehicles.
One of my wifes little mail jeeps will do the run-a-bout on site jobs.
As you get nearer to building keep in mind that alot of materials will be used and how far they have to be brought in is one of the old problems with building a castle.
Many times what a castle was made of depended upon that.
Luckily for us we have rock on site and what we don't have can be found close by.
But now the mortar is a different story. We are using raw Lime or Quick lime as its known and that falls under strict laws about transport let along finding the stuff. It has to come from another state and trucked in so the only way of buying it is by the semi load, actually two semis at a time.
Once on site the stuff has to be kept perfectly dry until use because of its volatile nature can start fires, so the best thing to do is rent semi trailers for storage.
In using cement I know a person can have a concrete company put up a mixing operation on site often cheaper then having it brought in by the truck load if very many will be used.
Our wood will be aged oak timbers and that is something else that has to be trucked in because the forest industry, in this state like many others, have a strangle hold on the small mills.
One of the items I can say will be little or no problem for us will be my metal work.
Just a few things to think about as your project gets closer at hand.
I have found it's better to organize before something is needed then to have to scramble to find it and cheaper too!!
I might suggest a few things to make your project more realistic looking later on but so far your doing great.
Heres a few things I've had to deal with:
The walls are heavy and your need adequate support foundation wise or better yet if possible bed rock is preferred.
Heavy equipment will all most be a necessity for this job so your need to have a good road built.
We have a D 9 and a D 3 bulldozer, one tracked front end loader, several other heavies assessable for our use plus a dump truck or two and of course several other vehicles.
One of my wifes little mail jeeps will do the run-a-bout on site jobs.
As you get nearer to building keep in mind that alot of materials will be used and how far they have to be brought in is one of the old problems with building a castle.
Many times what a castle was made of depended upon that.
Luckily for us we have rock on site and what we don't have can be found close by.
But now the mortar is a different story. We are using raw Lime or Quick lime as its known and that falls under strict laws about transport let along finding the stuff. It has to come from another state and trucked in so the only way of buying it is by the semi load, actually two semis at a time.
Once on site the stuff has to be kept perfectly dry until use because of its volatile nature can start fires, so the best thing to do is rent semi trailers for storage.
In using cement I know a person can have a concrete company put up a mixing operation on site often cheaper then having it brought in by the truck load if very many will be used.
Our wood will be aged oak timbers and that is something else that has to be trucked in because the forest industry, in this state like many others, have a strangle hold on the small mills.
One of the items I can say will be little or no problem for us will be my metal work.
Just a few things to think about as your project gets closer at hand.
I have found it's better to organize before something is needed then to have to scramble to find it and cheaper too!!
Wishing you the very best of luck!!
Don't sweat the small s***, work around it to better your project and remember as far as I know there is no open season on bureaucrats!! YET!!
Don't sweat the small s***, work around it to better your project and remember as far as I know there is no open season on bureaucrats!! YET!!
I feel-ist that thine hast smiten me a blow with the sword of one-up-manship!!! :Isvader:
It was quite good to see the pictures. I understand well how different window sizes etc will/wont affect the aestetics of the building and all of that. I wasnt really thinking too much about having loop holes and regular windows. But that's ok , because now I have just that much more to play with.
Hope we go to a new page ....... this ones slow to load with all the data.
Work is getting busy now - that's good though. I have this nutty idea for funding the castle which should work well but don't know where to post it so... oh well.
Right on, thanks for the pic's. Again...its all good stuff.
It was quite good to see the pictures. I understand well how different window sizes etc will/wont affect the aestetics of the building and all of that. I wasnt really thinking too much about having loop holes and regular windows. But that's ok , because now I have just that much more to play with.
Hope we go to a new page ....... this ones slow to load with all the data.
Work is getting busy now - that's good though. I have this nutty idea for funding the castle which should work well but don't know where to post it so... oh well.
Right on, thanks for the pic's. Again...its all good stuff.
News resulting from research: the "faux stone" idea apparently is a little more common than I thought.
Cleave and I went out last night examining buildings and their architecture to get ideas and look at the way the things were put together. There wwere two buildings we were looking at wich we discovered were made from cement-cast stone veneer. One was a church, tthe other the academy of arts building. Both appeared to be constructed hewn rock pieces - until upon close inspection we noticed it was too perfect - and then we spotted the patterns. The academy of arts building had me fooled prior to this inspection. I had always thoughtt it was made of local bluestone. It was harder tto detect because the blocks were made from several different molds, thus obscuring the faact thatt they werent real.
They must have used a metal or stiff plastic box (I think it was metal) wich had fold-down sides enabling the block to be removed without destroying the block. These were similar to mine though the detail wasnt there as finely - they were more coarse, larger and thicker.
Cleave and I saat and chewed on it for a bit talking pro's and con's about their use and I once again am stuck between using ashlar or these.
Ive come to somewhat of a conclusion that I would be satisfied in using these manufactured tiles if they were overall convincing enough to pass scrutiny by the untrained eye.
Im not the master mason, but I do have years in the field dealing with different building materiels and , from a distance, these had me fooled twice. I had even gone to the building and looked at its exterior as a new journeyman painter 7 years prior and hadn't spotted it.
So for what its worth, Im fairly sure that by making slightly different colored batches, ensuring that there are sufficient different size molds to give a range of different shapes and sizes and by faux-staining water runoff stains etc, the effect could be pulled off very satisfactorily. Still have some research to do on the ashlar side, though.
Scott drinks moat*#@er
Cleave and I went out last night examining buildings and their architecture to get ideas and look at the way the things were put together. There wwere two buildings we were looking at wich we discovered were made from cement-cast stone veneer. One was a church, tthe other the academy of arts building. Both appeared to be constructed hewn rock pieces - until upon close inspection we noticed it was too perfect - and then we spotted the patterns. The academy of arts building had me fooled prior to this inspection. I had always thoughtt it was made of local bluestone. It was harder tto detect because the blocks were made from several different molds, thus obscuring the faact thatt they werent real.
They must have used a metal or stiff plastic box (I think it was metal) wich had fold-down sides enabling the block to be removed without destroying the block. These were similar to mine though the detail wasnt there as finely - they were more coarse, larger and thicker.
Cleave and I saat and chewed on it for a bit talking pro's and con's about their use and I once again am stuck between using ashlar or these.
Ive come to somewhat of a conclusion that I would be satisfied in using these manufactured tiles if they were overall convincing enough to pass scrutiny by the untrained eye.
Im not the master mason, but I do have years in the field dealing with different building materiels and , from a distance, these had me fooled twice. I had even gone to the building and looked at its exterior as a new journeyman painter 7 years prior and hadn't spotted it.
So for what its worth, Im fairly sure that by making slightly different colored batches, ensuring that there are sufficient different size molds to give a range of different shapes and sizes and by faux-staining water runoff stains etc, the effect could be pulled off very satisfactorily. Still have some research to do on the ashlar side, though.
Scott drinks moat*#@er
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Soon I will have sketches and mechanical details posted on a home page
:thumbs: Sounds good to me as I'm interested in seeing them. Did you know that you can upload from your browser images here in this site by using the browse button just below where you type a post?
{note: you wont see it in a preview and it all ways goes to the bottom with in the post.}
If you have problems give me a shout in a pm.
Thanks for the kind words, :beerchug: we try to keep things freash around here. :computore: There many items in the works and much more planned for the furture. :laughlong:
Now, how about an ale or two?
A TOAST! Nothing seriously monumental, but I started dealing with the planning and zoning officials today! Motion on the project is motion on the project... its "milk-thirty"!!! :beerchug:
Ahhhh, much faster! Now my dial-a-slug brand computer doesn't smoke and whine each time I come here! 
Here's a photo of those tiles I was describing in CQ (Faux stone, concise version and boring details). Not the greatest shot but the picture communicates much better than the written description. I may still use these on the interior in select areas.
Here's a photo of those tiles I was describing in CQ (Faux stone, concise version and boring details). Not the greatest shot but the picture communicates much better than the written description. I may still use these on the interior in select areas.
This is a PM I received today,
What I have stated in the topics is the truth, how you interpret it is up to you.
Harsh words in COTW?... No! Not on this topic.
My openion... yes!
As you also read Merlin gave you his.
You went to COTW, which has a long history of problems, to discuss folly castles which is the longest running problem topic of them all.
In many of the forums you will find locked topics, or even deleted ones, some by the writers and some done by the mods, even some done by COTW's owner Ted.
I and the other mod's there try to ward off any trouble that might come up.
Thats not saying you were going to cause any, just that the topic has in the past, many times leading to others being banned
I hope this sheds enough light on any misunderstandings you may have had.
My being a computer genius of any sort can't be further from the truth.
Duncan
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Hello Ralph,
Saw your post reply this morning. I tracked you down because of the harsh words you posted on COTW. It seems you prefer to continue that way mentioning "banned" in bold.
Still, I am curious if you are really building a castle now, planning to, or just a computer genius. It is hard to tell from here. Would appreciate a kind private answer.
Roger
Saw your post reply this morning. I tracked you down because of the harsh words you posted on COTW. It seems you prefer to continue that way mentioning "banned" in bold.
Still, I am curious if you are really building a castle now, planning to, or just a computer genius. It is hard to tell from here. Would appreciate a kind private answer.
Roger
What I have stated in the topics is the truth, how you interpret it is up to you.
Harsh words in COTW?... No! Not on this topic.
My openion... yes!
As you also read Merlin gave you his.
You went to COTW, which has a long history of problems, to discuss folly castles which is the longest running problem topic of them all.
In many of the forums you will find locked topics, or even deleted ones, some by the writers and some done by the mods, even some done by COTW's owner Ted.
I and the other mod's there try to ward off any trouble that might come up.
Thats not saying you were going to cause any, just that the topic has in the past, many times leading to others being banned
I hope this sheds enough light on any misunderstandings you may have had.
My being a computer genius of any sort can't be further from the truth.
Duncan
Greetings! Proud to be the first to jump aboard this particular train! This is nice.
I will be building a Folly in South Eastern Connecticut, USA. Im currently researching and putting together ideas for the design. You know, when I first purchased a PC the very first thing I punched into the internet explorer search engine was "castles". Guess what results were found? Yeah, and since then I've spent most of my time here and at Castle Quest - nice and convenient that i didn't have to shop around to far to find the stuff I was looking for.
Production isn't scheduled yet to start but should last 2-3 years I'm estimating. Perhaps there will be add-ons (and Im sure delays :mad2: ) so it may be still ongoing towards 2010.
There's another idea I have which is to find willing participants in constructing this or any other castle who don't plan to take up the challenge of making their own all by themselves and assist in coordinating their contribution. I for one fit this category; I'd love to utilize my professional talents to the end result of helping to build a castle. Nice change from the house painting and drywall work in my business. So wether this forum acts to achieve that end or another site is created later on, that issue and invitation stands for qualified personell. If you want to make one but don't want to do it alone, jump in where you can.
Meanwhile, the timeline for myself is expected to go along these lines: Finalize the mental rough draft of the place (grounds, structures, moat, ruins, gardens) then start the drafting and renditions. Next it's find the land and go broke paying for it. :cries: After all that and the architects work Production begins followed by (cross my fingers) a minimal of difficulties and hassles.
Not to worry, I have some good people to go crying to when and if that happens!!! :laughlong:
I will be building a Folly in South Eastern Connecticut, USA. Im currently researching and putting together ideas for the design. You know, when I first purchased a PC the very first thing I punched into the internet explorer search engine was "castles". Guess what results were found? Yeah, and since then I've spent most of my time here and at Castle Quest - nice and convenient that i didn't have to shop around to far to find the stuff I was looking for.
Production isn't scheduled yet to start but should last 2-3 years I'm estimating. Perhaps there will be add-ons (and Im sure delays :mad2: ) so it may be still ongoing towards 2010.
There's another idea I have which is to find willing participants in constructing this or any other castle who don't plan to take up the challenge of making their own all by themselves and assist in coordinating their contribution. I for one fit this category; I'd love to utilize my professional talents to the end result of helping to build a castle. Nice change from the house painting and drywall work in my business. So wether this forum acts to achieve that end or another site is created later on, that issue and invitation stands for qualified personell. If you want to make one but don't want to do it alone, jump in where you can.
Meanwhile, the timeline for myself is expected to go along these lines: Finalize the mental rough draft of the place (grounds, structures, moat, ruins, gardens) then start the drafting and renditions. Next it's find the land and go broke paying for it. :cries: After all that and the architects work Production begins followed by (cross my fingers) a minimal of difficulties and hassles.
Not to worry, I have some good people to go crying to when and if that happens!!! :laughlong:
Just some thoughts and humble opinion's on your project.
The miscellaneous buildings will come to you as time goes by, its a small thing in the scheme of the project even though the function of them is not. Wait, it'll come to you as the need shows it self.
A hall was used for large or small functions depending on the size and what was going on as well as for eating in. {I see a glossary coming soon}
[*]Got friends and or family? very many of them? expect to have more when things are finished and over with!
[*]Where do you feed them at?
[*]Where do you have that party?
The keep was at times a part of the gate house in a castle as you have planned.
Just for a reference the Scottish tower house's came in many different styles,
a box, an L, an X, a T and several others.
[*]Look into a heat exchanger for your heat/A.C. system its pipe field can be layed in the stream or moat.
[*]stock the pond with fish, a good food supply and it's restive too.
[*]Look into a filter system for drinking water.
[*]How is your sewer going through/around/under/ the pond? Will it be dependable enough not to leak into the water supply?
Will you use a water well? whats the water table like in your area? how deep will you have to go to hit good water?
Hmmm. deer eat veggies, think about a good, high fencing system.
:beerchug: Venison is really great when cooked right. :laughlong:
The miscellaneous buildings will come to you as time goes by, its a small thing in the scheme of the project even though the function of them is not. Wait, it'll come to you as the need shows it self.
A hall was used for large or small functions depending on the size and what was going on as well as for eating in. {I see a glossary coming soon}
[*]Got friends and or family? very many of them? expect to have more when things are finished and over with!
[*]Where do you feed them at?
[*]Where do you have that party?
The keep was at times a part of the gate house in a castle as you have planned.
Just for a reference the Scottish tower house's came in many different styles,
a box, an L, an X, a T and several others.
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The moat : I hope to divert a stream. Otherwise Ill have to come up with circulation/filtration ideas. On the right side, it's just for show. I wanted it to wrap around somewhat for aestetics. On the left side the moat would turn into a pond perhaps with an island.
[*]Look into a heat exchanger for your heat/A.C. system its pipe field can be layed in the stream or moat.
[*]stock the pond with fish, a good food supply and it's restive too.
[*]Look into a filter system for drinking water.
[*]How is your sewer going through/around/under/ the pond? Will it be dependable enough not to leak into the water supply?
Will you use a water well? whats the water table like in your area? how deep will you have to go to hit good water?
Hmmm. deer eat veggies, think about a good, high fencing system.
:beerchug: Venison is really great when cooked right. :laughlong:
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I will be building a Folly in South Eastern Connecticut, USA.
How's the building codes there, anticipate any problems with the local government?
Thank you for the kind words here and in CQ.
See Murphy's law about this,
This is one persons fix for that challange,John Carrigon's school of masonry
Good basic planning, most will stand up to the test of time if enough thought was giving to each item.
Yes and thats a big yes things will and must change as the dream becomes a reality.
Not always, look around, land can still be gotten cheap and check into homesteading, its not necessary in the deep woods some where but is often found in rural areas.
Looking forward to seeing your concept drawings posted here in this topic when you have the time,
Duncan
Thank you for the kind words here and in CQ.
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Perhaps there will be add-ons (and I'm sure delays)
See Murphy's law about this,
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willing participants in constructing this or any other castle who don't plan to take up the challenge of making their own all by themselves and assist in coordinating their contribution.
This is one persons fix for that challange,John Carrigon's school of masonry
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Finalize the mental rough draft of the place (grounds, structures, moat, ruins, gardens) then start the drafting and renditions.
Good basic planning, most will stand up to the test of time if enough thought was giving to each item.
Yes and thats a big yes things will and must change as the dream becomes a reality.
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Next it's find the land and go broke paying for it.
Not always, look around, land can still be gotten cheap and check into homesteading, its not necessary in the deep woods some where but is often found in rural areas.
Looking forward to seeing your concept drawings posted here in this topic when you have the time,
Duncan
Those look pretty good and the lay out is done well.
Whats the adhesive?
Any backing preparation or are they non picky as to what they are glued on?
Whats the adhesive?
Any backing preparation or are they non picky as to what they are glued on?
Welcome to my web site!
I have no idea why, or what, took you so long in tracking me here :Questions: since I have a link in my signature in COTW.
I see where you might be concerned: a folly is a old term meaning to make a building to appear to be a castle. It was started as a form of architecture to revitalize a long gone era. Not in the sense that construction was a mistake or built of bad plans.
A folly, is simply put, as something that is made to look like a castle ( Cinderella's castle at Disney land here in the U.S. is a folly) but still it is many peoples dream of what a castle should look like. No harm intended.
I locked the topic on castles on the web because I did not want it to get out of hand as they have in the past and someone to be banned from the site.
I like a lively conversation as much as any one, even if I do not agree with their opinions.
After all we all are individuals.
I have no idea why, or what, took you so long in tracking me here :Questions: since I have a link in my signature in COTW.
I see where you might be concerned: a folly is a old term meaning to make a building to appear to be a castle. It was started as a form of architecture to revitalize a long gone era. Not in the sense that construction was a mistake or built of bad plans.
A folly, is simply put, as something that is made to look like a castle ( Cinderella's castle at Disney land here in the U.S. is a folly) but still it is many peoples dream of what a castle should look like. No harm intended.
I locked the topic on castles on the web because I did not want it to get out of hand as they have in the past and someone to be banned from the site.
I like a lively conversation as much as any one, even if I do not agree with their opinions.
After all we all are individuals.
In responce to your questions:
The local government is fairly level-headed. Connecticut is known for it's learned (and sometimes snobby) populace. I've talked to the head of the business economics section(or whatever she was head of) and found that through talking with her and others in the office there certainly isn't an aura of dirt the way you might find in larger cities (Hawaii included).
There are the usual codes but theres also sufficient farm and other property out in the sticks thats still not so far from town that it's realistic. There are some plus-points. I heard recently from my uncle (who knows like everyone that there is a newly constructed folly not too far from where I wanted to put mine (that dirty dog! - What is it with people stealing my ideas!!! :madgo: )
Thanks for the reference on J.C.'s school of Masonry.
Ongoing broke for the land, I don't really think this will be the case. I have options as far as financing and all that. If I can get the property for relatively cheap then Ill probably go right to it with the help of some of my uncles contacts. If I have to fork out over 1/2 million then there will be a construction project done beforehand to act as a fund raiser. Ill simply develop some land and sell it. Should get sneaky and develop commercial stuff near by that bed and breakfasters would frequent, eh?
Concept drawings: Yeah! Right! Been meaning to debug that one too! So Ive got the stuff but well... :stupid: you know. I need to be able to get it sent. I think that I can't send what I have over the net because theres too much data. Maybe trying todo it in black and white would fly instead. When I have tried to do this earlier my PC said "No way, cheeseball!, you don't have enough juice to do
that!" :no-no: So then I figured I would be cool and argue with the machine, right, like Im gonna show it who's the man and who's the hunk of metal...
:overclocking:
But we wont discuss that...
In other news I have brilliantly come up with a new tool that will revolutionize the field of spliting stone and fastening screws,nails, pegs- anything!!! You've seen the questions in CQ and elsewhere.. "how do they build them?", "What kinds of tools did they use?" "How do I build my own?" Well now you can!!
Introducing the new "Hammer-head" tool by Whitemanfrtown: :banghead:
It drives nails! Splits stone! Demolishes existing structures! Dont waste money on a new chisle! - Why pay for a good hammer? With a little use of your noodle you can accomplish almost any task including digging your own moat!!!
:bbfft:
The local government is fairly level-headed. Connecticut is known for it's learned (and sometimes snobby) populace. I've talked to the head of the business economics section(or whatever she was head of) and found that through talking with her and others in the office there certainly isn't an aura of dirt the way you might find in larger cities (Hawaii included).
There are the usual codes but theres also sufficient farm and other property out in the sticks thats still not so far from town that it's realistic. There are some plus-points. I heard recently from my uncle (who knows like everyone that there is a newly constructed folly not too far from where I wanted to put mine (that dirty dog! - What is it with people stealing my ideas!!! :madgo: )
Thanks for the reference on J.C.'s school of Masonry.
Ongoing broke for the land, I don't really think this will be the case. I have options as far as financing and all that. If I can get the property for relatively cheap then Ill probably go right to it with the help of some of my uncles contacts. If I have to fork out over 1/2 million then there will be a construction project done beforehand to act as a fund raiser. Ill simply develop some land and sell it. Should get sneaky and develop commercial stuff near by that bed and breakfasters would frequent, eh?
Concept drawings: Yeah! Right! Been meaning to debug that one too! So Ive got the stuff but well... :stupid: you know. I need to be able to get it sent. I think that I can't send what I have over the net because theres too much data. Maybe trying todo it in black and white would fly instead. When I have tried to do this earlier my PC said "No way, cheeseball!, you don't have enough juice to do
that!" :no-no: So then I figured I would be cool and argue with the machine, right, like Im gonna show it who's the man and who's the hunk of metal...
:overclocking:
But we wont discuss that...
In other news I have brilliantly come up with a new tool that will revolutionize the field of spliting stone and fastening screws,nails, pegs- anything!!! You've seen the questions in CQ and elsewhere.. "how do they build them?", "What kinds of tools did they use?" "How do I build my own?" Well now you can!!
Introducing the new "Hammer-head" tool by Whitemanfrtown: :banghead:
It drives nails! Splits stone! Demolishes existing structures! Dont waste money on a new chisle! - Why pay for a good hammer? With a little use of your noodle you can accomplish almost any task including digging your own moat!!!
:bbfft:
More ale... :shocked:
OK!!! That's the best way to kill a hangover! :beerchug:
Alright, so here's the test by the neophyte using the browser...If all is good it might be milk-thirty again!... (drum roll please...)
OK!!! That's the best way to kill a hangover! :beerchug:
Alright, so here's the test by the neophyte using the browser...If all is good it might be milk-thirty again!... (drum roll please...)
A back hoe for your project is about right with maybe a rear scraper blade for leveling.
I wouldn't think your walls will require much larger footings then normal because of the materials your be using.
One of the small things to look into later is horses, maybe to rent but mostly for your own enjoyment.
Think lawn mowers.
Wood drys differently from place to place due to moisture and other factors. For the most part the modern world drys and pressure treats todays wood stacked high in large open air warehouses. The weight of the squires squeeze out the moisture and applies pressure whilst the over head sprinkler system feeds the wood with preservatives.
This is a common practice but will vary from company to company.
I've thought of buying a small saw mill but decided to buy some specialized chain saw tools instead and just break down and order the Timber from a company that deals in large pieces.
Working for your wood is a good idea and for the stone too.
I Trade when ever we can but stay away like its the plaque from bartering.
You might be pleasantly surprised at how much less your project can cost if you do much of the work your self. Even if its administrative things will add up quick.
I have a feeling as time goes by that there will be areas of your project that will be done in the authentic manner, the time isn't right to discover them yet.
When I started designing this project years ago I thought of adding a facade over a wooden framed building. It worked out all right and all the pieces came together, except it wasn't right!
Decades of study, my wife, a good friend willing to help me to understand what a castle really is and many other things led me where I'm at now.
Which I'll admit isn't and can't be for every one, but is definitely for us and no doubt is not an easy place to be.
It's what some call a 'life choice' I believe.
naawww we'll work something out,
Find what makes you happy and follow that path on your project, it's a steep, winding, at times dangerous climb but well worth the view.
I wouldn't think your walls will require much larger footings then normal because of the materials your be using.
One of the small things to look into later is horses, maybe to rent but mostly for your own enjoyment.
Think lawn mowers.
Wood drys differently from place to place due to moisture and other factors. For the most part the modern world drys and pressure treats todays wood stacked high in large open air warehouses. The weight of the squires squeeze out the moisture and applies pressure whilst the over head sprinkler system feeds the wood with preservatives.
This is a common practice but will vary from company to company.
I've thought of buying a small saw mill but decided to buy some specialized chain saw tools instead and just break down and order the Timber from a company that deals in large pieces.
Working for your wood is a good idea and for the stone too.
I Trade when ever we can but stay away like its the plaque from bartering.
You might be pleasantly surprised at how much less your project can cost if you do much of the work your self. Even if its administrative things will add up quick.
I have a feeling as time goes by that there will be areas of your project that will be done in the authentic manner, the time isn't right to discover them yet.
When I started designing this project years ago I thought of adding a facade over a wooden framed building. It worked out all right and all the pieces came together, except it wasn't right!
Decades of study, my wife, a good friend willing to help me to understand what a castle really is and many other things led me where I'm at now.
Which I'll admit isn't and can't be for every one, but is definitely for us and no doubt is not an easy place to be.
It's what some call a 'life choice' I believe.
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However, things may change and I may end up manufacturing my own door hinges with a anvil and hammer ...
naawww we'll work something out,
Find what makes you happy and follow that path on your project, it's a steep, winding, at times dangerous climb but well worth the view.
Vacation trip is Oct 5 thru Oct 23. Ive been checking out other castle sites that are in progress and am mid figuring which one(s) to see. Talked to Jim Dupont on the phone for about 45 min's and I'd like to see what he's got going on but it is rather far and there are other places nearer. Don't know yet. But certainly, I am going to do land surveys. See I now have this topographical software for the Northeast wich is in 3-D and all that good stuff - zoom in and count the fleas on the neigbors dog... So Im checking out possible areas and then Ill physically inspect each.
Thank you. this is all good stuff. This is the kind of info that Ive been looking for. Much of it are things that I have considered and was pretty sure that I would need but needed a second opinion or I just lacked certainty on it.
Ive got my uncle looking for a backhoe that someone wants to sell ; we could both use it. (Uncle knows everyone). I can appreciate the weight and larger footings and expended material - thats really the thing with the industrial zone in my basic layout - I expect the project to be ongoing and to then undergo refinements and additions hence there is a dedicated space that will be use for that and finally turned into something else useful when it's use is no longer required.
My idea with the oak is to use primarily the timber from the land (as oak is common in the area) what I cant get from the property I can probably get from someone else's - there's much construction going on and will be for quite some time. So Ill offer to fell the trees and remove for free or fraction of price. Buy my own saw mill (Uncle finds and shares) cut and let dry in a ("kiln"?) outside in the industrail zone alo0ngside of all other manner of brickabrac that we find that can be used; stone from demolished stone walls (Superabundant is New England) etc. etc. If Im lucky and can plan it out well, the lumber will be ready by the time it's needed - what does it take ... it's like 2 years, right- for lumber to dry out?
Thanks much for the "On-site concrete mix studio thing" There's something I never thought of... Ill be keeping that in mind. :)
Im quite glad to see the corners of your mouth turn up at the plans thus far. I cant think of a better way to create this type of thing for under a million and in less than 5 years.
I will give this prediction though - and it can be taken as a compliment; Were I to make this my life's work and the one thing that I was soley dedicated to above all else, I'm sure without doubt that I would make it absolutely to spec's along the lines of authenticity. No modern cheater S#!* would be allowed. My viewpoint is transforming rapidly - you know ... a very wise man said once.."Anything that you do, do it as a professional." One shouldn't neccessarily give in and do it the easy way. People often fail in this and think " Do it in the wat that will demand the least effort."
We see this in manufacturing, particularly - the easiest way is the cheapest way is the most profitable way.
So we get into a "do it the easy way."
Well, that may apply to making spoons for profit, but it does not apply to presentation.
The whole world of the arts is directly opposed to the philosophy of the businessman or manufacturer.
Art seeks to create and effect. An effect is not always created the easy way. Indeed, the better effects are quite difficult to achieve." ... "Artistic presentation always succeeds to the degree that it is done well. How easily it is done is entirely secondary."
So don't buy the easy way. Buy only the effective way. If some points can then be made easy, good. If not, do it the hard way."
That's Whiteman from town's tip the cap to the dedicated professionals that don't cheese-it on making real, authentic, quality stuff![i] :thumbs:
For the time being as my mind set is that I believe that I will need more funds than I am currently willing to pour into this prroject were I to go the authentic route, I will settle for cosmetically presentable (and able to fool the untrained eye!) However, things may change and I may end up manufacturing my own door hinges with a anvil and hammer ... :shocked:
Forthe time being I am pleased with the game that Ive got going and I am pretty sure that others will agree basically to my point of view.
To those that think out of the box.... :beerchug:
Ive got my uncle looking for a backhoe that someone wants to sell ; we could both use it. (Uncle knows everyone). I can appreciate the weight and larger footings and expended material - thats really the thing with the industrial zone in my basic layout - I expect the project to be ongoing and to then undergo refinements and additions hence there is a dedicated space that will be use for that and finally turned into something else useful when it's use is no longer required.
My idea with the oak is to use primarily the timber from the land (as oak is common in the area) what I cant get from the property I can probably get from someone else's - there's much construction going on and will be for quite some time. So Ill offer to fell the trees and remove for free or fraction of price. Buy my own saw mill (Uncle finds and shares) cut and let dry in a ("kiln"?) outside in the industrail zone alo0ngside of all other manner of brickabrac that we find that can be used; stone from demolished stone walls (Superabundant is New England) etc. etc. If Im lucky and can plan it out well, the lumber will be ready by the time it's needed - what does it take ... it's like 2 years, right- for lumber to dry out?
Thanks much for the "On-site concrete mix studio thing" There's something I never thought of... Ill be keeping that in mind. :)
Im quite glad to see the corners of your mouth turn up at the plans thus far. I cant think of a better way to create this type of thing for under a million and in less than 5 years.
I will give this prediction though - and it can be taken as a compliment; Were I to make this my life's work and the one thing that I was soley dedicated to above all else, I'm sure without doubt that I would make it absolutely to spec's along the lines of authenticity. No modern cheater S#!* would be allowed. My viewpoint is transforming rapidly - you know ... a very wise man said once.."Anything that you do, do it as a professional." One shouldn't neccessarily give in and do it the easy way. People often fail in this and think " Do it in the wat that will demand the least effort."
We see this in manufacturing, particularly - the easiest way is the cheapest way is the most profitable way.
So we get into a "do it the easy way."
Well, that may apply to making spoons for profit, but it does not apply to presentation.
The whole world of the arts is directly opposed to the philosophy of the businessman or manufacturer.
Art seeks to create and effect. An effect is not always created the easy way. Indeed, the better effects are quite difficult to achieve." ... "Artistic presentation always succeeds to the degree that it is done well. How easily it is done is entirely secondary."
So don't buy the easy way. Buy only the effective way. If some points can then be made easy, good. If not, do it the hard way."
That's Whiteman from town's tip the cap to the dedicated professionals that don't cheese-it on making real, authentic, quality stuff![i] :thumbs:
For the time being as my mind set is that I believe that I will need more funds than I am currently willing to pour into this prroject were I to go the authentic route, I will settle for cosmetically presentable (and able to fool the untrained eye!)
However, things may change and I may end up manufacturing my own door hinges with a anvil and hammer ... :shocked: Forthe time being I am pleased with the game that Ive got going and I am pretty sure that others will agree basically to my point of view.
To those that think out of the box.... :beerchug:
Heads up:
Soon I will have sketches and mechanical details posted on a home page... progress calls for celebration! Milk-thirty! :beerchug: and then ... :beerchug:
Ya, know I went surfing (around the net) to scope out different castle sites and I found that (soley my opinion):while there are individual sites out there that show pictures and may be interesting there arent too many bulletin boards and of those that I did find ... to be kind, I prefer this neck of the woods.
I stopped in at their tavern and upon turning on the tap for some ale dust came out.
But, having come back from (that) town, I find myself at home rather pleasantly. :beerchug: ....I think Ill have myself a little..... :beerchug: ....uh....... excuse me.... it's good to be home again....... :beerchug: .I think Ill have a nap :sleeping1:
Soon I will have sketches and mechanical details posted on a home page... progress calls for celebration! Milk-thirty! :beerchug: and then ... :beerchug:
Ya, know I went surfing (around the net) to scope out different castle sites and I found that (soley my opinion):while there are individual sites out there that show pictures and may be interesting there arent too many bulletin boards and of those that I did find ... to be kind, I prefer this neck of the woods.
I stopped in at their tavern and upon turning on the tap for some ale dust came out.
But, having come back from (that) town, I find myself at home rather pleasantly. :beerchug: ....I think Ill have myself a little..... :beerchug: ....uh....... excuse me.... it's good to be home again....... :beerchug: .I think Ill have a nap :sleeping1:
First off, let me say that youre completely welcome to comment or make suggestions all that you please. You've already demonstrated your diplomacy and further, you're a builder so ... I guess you're fairly qualified. Here's my response to the above:
SMALL BUILDINGS: Yeah, they'll just fall in line when the time comes - those are just filler actions and by-the-ways.
HALL: Ok, so point well taken. My viewpoint continues to change and I believe that I will probably end up putting one. AS it stands now I feeel that it could be of use...Im sure that one will grow on me.
GATEHOUSE/KEEP: this sounds good. Possiblility. Would be easier and maybe better.
Heat Xchanger: yeah, Im somewhat familiar with these from my solar installation days - good idea. I also do plan on stocking the pond with fish both for entertainment and sanitation reasons Dont know what will be going on ith the filter situation and drinking water. There are wells there commonly the depth ranges from 30-200 ft. But I understand that the water quality is quite good. Many of these variable points depend upon the topography and waterways. Like the sewer: The intent was to not have the moat totaly encircle the castle so that it made for easy transport and running utilities across the side which wasnt moated I figured about 2/3rds would have moat. Ill know what to do when I find the property.
Jenny and I like deer quite a bit and so on this problem we'll just fence in the stuff we really want to guard and let Bambi and friends munch everything else till we get tired of them eating everything... and then Ill buy a gun... People have told me my mind will change and it very well might but I think Ill let them come and go until It changes. Leaving dog food out helps as a deterrant (or encouragement for them to bring their familiy and friends.) But Id like to encourage them to come just stay out of our personal stash of veggies.
SMALL BUILDINGS: Yeah, they'll just fall in line when the time comes - those are just filler actions and by-the-ways.
HALL: Ok, so point well taken. My viewpoint continues to change and I believe that I will probably end up putting one. AS it stands now I feeel that it could be of use...Im sure that one will grow on me.
GATEHOUSE/KEEP: this sounds good. Possiblility. Would be easier and maybe better.
Heat Xchanger: yeah, Im somewhat familiar with these from my solar installation days - good idea. I also do plan on stocking the pond with fish both for entertainment and sanitation reasons Dont know what will be going on ith the filter situation and drinking water. There are wells there commonly the depth ranges from 30-200 ft. But I understand that the water quality is quite good. Many of these variable points depend upon the topography and waterways. Like the sewer: The intent was to not have the moat totaly encircle the castle so that it made for easy transport and running utilities across the side which wasnt moated I figured about 2/3rds would have moat. Ill know what to do when I find the property.
Jenny and I like deer quite a bit and so on this problem we'll just fence in the stuff we really want to guard and let Bambi and friends munch everything else till we get tired of them eating everything... and then Ill buy a gun...
People have told me my mind will change and it very well might but I think Ill let them come and go until It changes. Leaving dog food out helps as a deterrant (or encouragement for them to bring their familiy and friends.) But Id like to encourage them to come just stay out of our personal stash of veggies.
Hey folks! Wow, have I been busy - still am. Im about half way through all the stuff I need to hack through before things can return to "normal" ... if there is such a thing.
Wanted to give the good news that the embers under the pot of my castle building project have been blown into brightness once again as I have joined forces with a Chef who is quite enthusiastic about taking on the tavern and entire food end of the deal. We were up till 2am discussing all the possibilities and details... :biggrin2:
So mentally, I have been able to better envision the whole and thats a good thing as now the goal line is more deliniated.
Some time ago Ralph told me that I could expect my plans to change and transform as time goes on and/or while mid the project. This is quite true. I started out thinking that I would do the minimum in order to achieve a "castle effect" then it moved towards realism and today it continues to creep more and more towards authenticity.
Ive got upgraded plans. More later. Mainly Im thinking bigger and broader with more authenticity involved in it.
Happy belated holidays to all.
Talk to you again soon.
Scott drinks moat*#@er
Wanted to give the good news that the embers under the pot of my castle building project have been blown into brightness once again as I have joined forces with a Chef who is quite enthusiastic about taking on the tavern and entire food end of the deal. We were up till 2am discussing all the possibilities and details... :biggrin2:
So mentally, I have been able to better envision the whole and thats a good thing as now the goal line is more deliniated.
Some time ago Ralph told me that I could expect my plans to change and transform as time goes on and/or while mid the project. This is quite true. I started out thinking that I would do the minimum in order to achieve a "castle effect" then it moved towards realism and today it continues to creep more and more towards authenticity.
Ive got upgraded plans. More later. Mainly Im thinking bigger and broader with more authenticity involved in it.
Happy belated holidays to all.
Talk to you again soon.
Scott drinks moat*#@er
The commercial stuff has alot of air pockets to keep it lighter in weight and they also use chemicals to reduce the amount of cementitious material which helps keep the cost down for them. Most manufactures used to or still do use auto clave's to bake the finish and to dry the blocks.
I make several types of light, thin, and very strong roofing tiles that resemble slate and so far have tested out to withstand over the equivalency of 50 years of natural weathering.
and yes the mix is patented.
I make several types of light, thin, and very strong roofing tiles that resemble slate and so far have tested out to withstand over the equivalency of 50 years of natural weathering.
and yes the mix is patented.
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I still prefer real stone (who wouldn't?) but I'm still favorably looking at these as a possible interior wall covering due to the ease of installation and versitility. (can make crown mouldings, base mouldings, almost any shape and size ,...
Often when I'm lifting stones that weigh apox. 75 pounds each I think I'd prefer your faux type!
Making your own molding will reduce the building cost considerable and can be done as each room is finished instead of all at once which is a great idea too.
Could you include in a post the details, as you did in CQ, how to make and use your product?
Back hoe will probably be the destructive tool of choice. Horses fit in nicely. Wasn't thiking about those (only because I don't know the price and the care etc. But that sounds good. Iv'e got family who are into horses... :idea3:
So here: what are you doing about your lighting situation? Im somewhat under the impression that you'll be making loop holes and slit-type window openings. So that brings me full circle back to my original question I posted back at CQ which was wassup with getting max light w/out compromising authentic look?
And another question: Which would you personally choose between the following as a solution to a proposed lighting problem; a)larger windows on the ext allowing more light or b) stronger int lighting even if it had to be obvious and would somewhat detract from the authentic thing? or is it c) Im a cave-dweller at heart and type posts by torch-light anyway, so what do I care?
So here: what are you doing about your lighting situation? Im somewhat under the impression that you'll be making loop holes and slit-type window openings. So that brings me full circle back to my original question I posted back at CQ which was wassup with getting max light w/out compromising authentic look?
And another question: Which would you personally choose between the following as a solution to a proposed lighting problem; a)larger windows on the ext allowing more light or b) stronger int lighting even if it had to be obvious and would somewhat detract from the authentic thing? or is it c) Im a cave-dweller at heart and type posts by torch-light anyway, so what do I care?
Sure, I'll do a real bang-up job on it with small photos and diagrams etc. That would be really good. I'll need a little time because my business is taking off and my trip to the mainland is coming up :Eyecrazy: ...so ya know how that can be.
C...of course!! 
No not really.
Yep we are but will be using full size windows as well.
The arrow slits we will be using have a 1 sq. foot outer opening with a inner area of 4 high x 3 long. This size of opening gives an unbelievable amount of light for going through an 8 foot wall.
The vaults are one of the very few areas with out some form of window or slits.
The windows of choice for us is of several types.
[*] the arrow slits are on the average of 1 foot wide.
[*] Most windows are two foot wide x 2 foot high up to 6 foot high and 6 foot inner angles. Some of ours are doubles with a foot between the frames like this one which is our favorite.
This illistration is from Mc Gibbons and Ross.
[*] The chapel window is stained glass and is one of a kind but its frame was used in medieval times.
Another one from Mc Gibbons and Ross
We are using electric lights well hidden in medieval ceiling fixture and wall sconces as well as candle holders.
In areas like the office, barns, animal sick room, kitchens, and a part of my forge work room the lights will have modern as well as older types of fixtures.
About not losing the authentic look, here's a few examples that might shed some light, ha ha
notice the above because it has several of different sizes and shapes including arrow slits.
This ones Orel window is about average for an Irish tower house.
On this one the inner angle is easier to see and this was the hall at one time.
It's the inner side openings that let in the light and the math is fairly easy, let me know the size you are thinking of using and I'll give you the calculations.
We've some really good images in the castle section and it might be worth a look see.
No not really.QUOTE
what are you doing about your lighting situation? I'm somewhat under the impression that you'll be making loop holes and slit-type window openings.
Yep we are but will be using full size windows as well.
The arrow slits we will be using have a 1 sq. foot outer opening with a inner area of 4 high x 3 long. This size of opening gives an unbelievable amount of light for going through an 8 foot wall.
The vaults are one of the very few areas with out some form of window or slits.
The windows of choice for us is of several types.
[*] the arrow slits are on the average of 1 foot wide.
[*] Most windows are two foot wide x 2 foot high up to 6 foot high and 6 foot inner angles. Some of ours are doubles with a foot between the frames like this one which is our favorite.
This illistration is from Mc Gibbons and Ross.
[*] The chapel window is stained glass and is one of a kind but its frame was used in medieval times.
Another one from Mc Gibbons and Ross
We are using electric lights well hidden in medieval ceiling fixture and wall sconces as well as candle holders.
In areas like the office, barns, animal sick room, kitchens, and a part of my forge work room the lights will have modern as well as older types of fixtures.
About not losing the authentic look, here's a few examples that might shed some light, ha ha
notice the above because it has several of different sizes and shapes including arrow slits.
This ones Orel window is about average for an Irish tower house.
On this one the inner angle is easier to see and this was the hall at one time.
It's the inner side openings that let in the light and the math is fairly easy, let me know the size you are thinking of using and I'll give you the calculations.
We've some really good images in the castle section and it might be worth a look see.
Your business picking up is a good thing.
Whens your trip to the main land coming up and you going to see any of the American castles whilst here?
Whens your trip to the main land coming up and you going to see any of the American castles whilst here?
Here's a wider shot of the thing. These are all individual elements that I'd like to have included on the grounds, though who knows in what arrangement until the land is obtained.
This should serve to communicate the scope of the project, flavor and general , howshould i say?, "composition?" You get it. If ya got ideas on this (ie better ways, watch-out-for's etc let me know.)
This should serve to communicate the scope of the project, flavor and general , howshould i say?, "composition?" You get it. If ya got ideas on this (ie better ways, watch-out-for's etc let me know.)
Many years ago in another site I wrote a topic concerning the castle builders of today. Back then it was thought that a person could not build a true castle and some still believe that way. This ideal holds true to those not building a real castle but making a look alike or what has always been known as a folly castle.
I am a castle purist and I will admit it, but one who believes that if a person wants a look alike then thats their right and no one should gain-say them their dreams.
So, like the post in what feels kin to a another life, I'm starting a topic for those Castles Builders of Today.
Welcome to Castle Duncan and feel free to tell us what you have planed.
I am a castle purist and I will admit it, but one who believes that if a person wants a look alike then thats their right and no one should gain-say them their dreams.
So, like the post in what feels kin to a another life, I'm starting a topic for those Castles Builders of Today.
Welcome to Castle Duncan and feel free to tell us what you have planed.
Thank you. The adhesive is a medium-high grade all purpose one. If you read the label on the product ( wether it's "Beats Nails" or "Liquid Nails" or whatever), there is a listing as to what the gunk sticks to. Cement, painted surfaces, wood etc are all on there so it's pretty indiscriminate. No backing prep required providing the surface is sound. I would expect that wall to last for 25 years to maybe 35 - it's the adhesive that would give out first, eh. I think mortar or perhaps thinset (for bare concrete) would be better and then grout it with recessed grout lines. Its more work but the product would be lasting and moisture damage resistant. Ya really gatta see it after theyve been faux finished. Wild.
I still prefer real stone (who wouldn't?) but I'm still favorably looking at these as a possible interior wall covering due to the ease of installation and versitility. (can make crown mouldings, base mouldings, almost any shape and size ,...
I still prefer real stone (who wouldn't?) but I'm still favorably looking at these as a possible interior wall covering due to the ease of installation and versitility. (can make crown mouldings, base mouldings, almost any shape and size ,...
I'll be moving this topic into its own forum today sometime. Ít'll make things a wee bit easier on the subject matter to load if your on dial up.
Hello Duncan.
Took awhile to track you down to find out where you were and what you are and have been doing. Not too good at computers so bear with me.
I would like to comment on your posts on castlesontheweb and those here.
Was thrilled to find your comments here on being a castle purist. Not to thrilled with your comments on castlesonthe web so that is why I tracked you down. Anyway, I would like to say again that I was relieved when I found your comments here.
I too have the same ideals of catle building "purity" but first must sell of Castle Kataryna to get the dream turned real. Yes, the price is high but the location sets the price there. I would really like to see what your progress is if you have started a pure castle. We are just about done here and are looking forward to getting the real castle started.
Roger
Took awhile to track you down to find out where you were and what you are and have been doing. Not too good at computers so bear with me.
I would like to comment on your posts on castlesontheweb and those here.
Was thrilled to find your comments here on being a castle purist. Not to thrilled with your comments on castlesonthe web so that is why I tracked you down. Anyway, I would like to say again that I was relieved when I found your comments here.
I too have the same ideals of catle building "purity" but first must sell of Castle Kataryna to get the dream turned real. Yes, the price is high but the location sets the price there. I would really like to see what your progress is if you have started a pure castle. We are just about done here and are looking forward to getting the real castle started.
Roger
What follows is a jumble of thoughts that got lost in several topics somewhere when every thing was going on, I'll place them now for your perusal,
Speaking of a moat, it's all most certain you will need a pump and filtration system unless the thing is going to be as deep as mine.
One of the thoughts of having a pumping system is to turn that action back onto it self and provide electrical power.
Now I will tell you that I have spoke to many of those who say it wont be economical and it will use more electrical then it will produce but I differ with them on this if the system is set up right and certain formulas are used.
It took us a while to get used to the thought of having strangers in our home as guests too but the income would be steady to off set the cost of finishing the other rooms.
I've been trying to get info on a machine I've heard of lately that will smooth a flag stone floor. It's not a buffer or sander but more a kin to a grinder similar to a floor polisher with four wheels. I hope the operator rides the thing instead of tries to guide it, scary thought!!
If either of you want to talk about a cheap way of making roofing tiles or even simulated floor flag stones I'm willing to share my formula and give what tips I can.
Speaking of a moat, it's all most certain you will need a pump and filtration system unless the thing is going to be as deep as mine.
One of the thoughts of having a pumping system is to turn that action back onto it self and provide electrical power.
Now I will tell you that I have spoke to many of those who say it wont be economical and it will use more electrical then it will produce but I differ with them on this if the system is set up right and certain formulas are used.
It took us a while to get used to the thought of having strangers in our home as guests too but the income would be steady to off set the cost of finishing the other rooms.
I've been trying to get info on a machine I've heard of lately that will smooth a flag stone floor. It's not a buffer or sander but more a kin to a grinder similar to a floor polisher with four wheels. I hope the operator rides the thing instead of tries to guide it, scary thought!!
If either of you want to talk about a cheap way of making roofing tiles or even simulated floor flag stones I'm willing to share my formula and give what tips I can.
Yeah. Im intrested in the roof tiles materiel discussion.
I already know that the options are 1)slate or 2) something that looks close enough to it that it will pass inspection. I prefer the lighterweigth stuff as long as it can be durable etc.
I also want to look into manufacturing the stones as I have seen enough of the end result that all I think I need to do now is do the math on the economics and see what kind of price spread were talking about. then Ill compare that to the other data and make a decision.
Im having some personell problems in my company right now so i have had to "downshift" and take control and push the jobs along personally again. :madgo.gif: sometimes the lack of responsibility of others makes me want to gnaw the rug.
Any way, im sure things will work out in the end.
Looking forward to some recipies or whatnot. talk again soon.
Scott drinks moat*#@er
I already know that the options are 1)slate or 2) something that looks close enough to it that it will pass inspection. I prefer the lighterweigth stuff as long as it can be durable etc.
I also want to look into manufacturing the stones as I have seen enough of the end result that all I think I need to do now is do the math on the economics and see what kind of price spread were talking about. then Ill compare that to the other data and make a decision.
Im having some personell problems in my company right now so i have had to "downshift" and take control and push the jobs along personally again. :madgo.gif: sometimes the lack of responsibility of others makes me want to gnaw the rug.
Any way, im sure things will work out in the end.
Looking forward to some recipies or whatnot. talk again soon.
Scott drinks moat*#@er
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Yeah. I'm interested in the roof tiles materiel discussion.
I already know that the options are 1)slate or 2) something that looks close enough to it that it will pass inspection. I prefer the lighterweigth stuff as long as it can be durable etc.
I already know that the options are 1)slate or 2) something that looks close enough to it that it will pass inspection. I prefer the lighterweigth stuff as long as it can be durable etc.
Sand stone flags will work also. You can get them pretty thin straight from the ground in many areas of the country.
There is always thatching using wheat straw specially grown for that use. I can tell you where to go for classes or I've read some where that back east are several company's that do that work.
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sometimes the lack of responsibility of others makes me want to gnaw the rug.
Any way, I'm sure things will work out in the end.
Any way, I'm sure things will work out in the end.
Oh that problem.....you might try a temp service for hiring personnel. You can go through as many as necessary until a good one who's hungry comes alone. Often times this works best because you don't pay the taxes and comp.
If we need extra help we have several places we can call and others I wouldn't touch, period.
I've had my fill of workers showing up intoxicated or under the influence.
Yes things get better, right after they got worse. :banghead.gif:
Keep in there and the circle will turn for you.
Thanks for the input. I have taken this advice well.
The roofing materiel, wether slate, sandstone or synthetic is up in the air for me until such time as I discover what the properties are of each (mainly wich lasts the longest and is most durable) thatch is something i have thought about and then said to myself "..uhhhh....-nah.) Just because of flamibility and whatnot - doesnt it start to smell and/or collect mildew? I can, however see its place if the castle is to take a warmer tone or have more wooden structures (forgot the names of those overhanging buildings that crop out from curtain walls - but whatever- you know whwat i mean, huh?)
Nonetheless, I have logged this data mentally and will call on you if and when I deam that it is appropriate.
Once again I wish to express my honest thanks for the assistance you have provided for me and the quickness of your responces. I have decided that there should be some good turn that "magically" returns to you shortly.
Scott drinks moat*#@er :)
The roofing materiel, wether slate, sandstone or synthetic is up in the air for me until such time as I discover what the properties are of each (mainly wich lasts the longest and is most durable) thatch is something i have thought about and then said to myself "..uhhhh....-nah.) Just because of flamibility and whatnot - doesnt it start to smell and/or collect mildew? I can, however see its place if the castle is to take a warmer tone or have more wooden structures (forgot the names of those overhanging buildings that crop out from curtain walls - but whatever- you know whwat i mean, huh?)
Nonetheless, I have logged this data mentally and will call on you if and when I deam that it is appropriate.
Once again I wish to express my honest thanks for the assistance you have provided for me and the quickness of your responces. I have decided that there should be some good turn that "magically" returns to you shortly.
Scott drinks moat*#@er :)
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The roofing matériel, wether slate, sandstone or synthetic is up in the air for me until such time as I discover what the properties are of each (mainly which lasts the longest and is most durable)
The first sort of man made roofing tiles resembling slate I saw was at a home and garden show...of all places....light weight and heavy on the expensive.
I went home and started doing some research in my spare time and it wasn't long before I had a mix worked out.
What took me the longest was deciding on ways to strengthen the thin sheets of material.
Theres man made fibers, that was a no brainer really, some more costly then others and most offering the basics of what is needed.
But of course I wanted something else, something cheaper but durable, as strong or near to the rating of the commercial stuff.
The answer came talking with my wife one day whilst she was spinning fibers.
Thatch is and not so flammable depending on several conditions and it doesn't smell or mildew if properly taking care of.
Like you I might use it for a building on the grounds and not for the castle it self.
Yup know what you mean.
Thank you, but no returns are necessary, I enjoy this stuff and I like to help out.
Meg also said to say thanks and wishes she had more time to post, as we all do!
Way cool. This, again (and as usual) is quite good data. Useful. Definately will be using this info when it comes time to decide on what to do etc.
I had earlier thought that my postings of castle grounds were missing - but my boneheaded self was just looking in the wrong place. I see it now so no worries.
I had earlier thought that my postings of castle grounds were missing - but my boneheaded self was just looking in the wrong place. I see it now so no worries.
Scott drinks moat*#@er....please forgive if I missed the answer to this in another post....if you use a faux stone technique...what is your building construction going to be? Are you planning a concrete construction, wood frame or do you need to do something to meet commercial code?
There is actually a big answer to this. Ill give the concise version. Understand first that there are variables that Im working out so some factors are uncertain.
What is known: The structural portion of the castle will be primarily concrete, wether pour-in-place, "cinderblock" or combination.
Stone masonry is expected in some areas. Some walls will be purely stone masonry with no concrete elements save for mortar.
The drive to use faux stone (because it is easier and cheaper and faster) has diminished and continues to diminish in myself due to authenticity aspects and how it will be regarded by the public. Cleave and I have gone several,several layers deeper into detail and authenticity and I see more and more how making the thing 100% real (Not necessarily accurate as a replica) without artificial or anything akin to modern-day materiels is important in order to achieve the desired end result that were looking for.
In any case, the stone tablets would be adhered (mortared) to a cement substrate. Doesnt matter wether cinderblock (CMU) or pour-in-place. Let me whip out a sketch or two.
the tallest portions of the castle may be wood or metal stud construction. That depends upon how much weight were looking to sustain. Most likely it will be cmu because the whole thing will be veneered with stone - I dont think that any type of wood frame is going to fly.
I dont have any data about codes - what I can say is that the stone is a veneer and so structurally, any codes will be typically targeting the substrate(cmu) - so as long as thats per code there shouldnt be any trouble.
What is known: The structural portion of the castle will be primarily concrete, wether pour-in-place, "cinderblock" or combination.
Stone masonry is expected in some areas. Some walls will be purely stone masonry with no concrete elements save for mortar.
The drive to use faux stone (because it is easier and cheaper and faster) has diminished and continues to diminish in myself due to authenticity aspects and how it will be regarded by the public. Cleave and I have gone several,several layers deeper into detail and authenticity and I see more and more how making the thing 100% real (Not necessarily accurate as a replica) without artificial or anything akin to modern-day materiels is important in order to achieve the desired end result that were looking for.
In any case, the stone tablets would be adhered (mortared) to a cement substrate. Doesnt matter wether cinderblock (CMU) or pour-in-place. Let me whip out a sketch or two.
the tallest portions of the castle may be wood or metal stud construction. That depends upon how much weight were looking to sustain. Most likely it will be cmu because the whole thing will be veneered with stone - I dont think that any type of wood frame is going to fly.
I dont have any data about codes - what I can say is that the stone is a veneer and so structurally, any codes will be typically targeting the substrate(cmu) - so as long as thats per code there shouldnt be any trouble.
Heres that sketch. The substrate could also be plywood but that really doesnt have any significant, reliable longevity. Cement bonds to cement best.
The plus point of these tiles are that they are easier to work with and more intricate work can be done with them. Im probably going to research it further as Cleave and I were looking at a local church when we discovered that it was faux rather than real rock - and I was fooled. So Im sure that it could be made very convincing with the right amount of faux finishing and clear coating for protection. My first option will be real stone. If there are areas that will be too demanding for real stone in order to pull off what Im looking for (inside stairwells, archways etc, then ill consider the faux approach but for the most part Im leaning strongly to real (and heavy) rock.
The plus point of these tiles are that they are easier to work with and more intricate work can be done with them. Im probably going to research it further as Cleave and I were looking at a local church when we discovered that it was faux rather than real rock - and I was fooled. So Im sure that it could be made very convincing with the right amount of faux finishing and clear coating for protection. My first option will be real stone. If there are areas that will be too demanding for real stone in order to pull off what Im looking for (inside stairwells, archways etc, then ill consider the faux approach but for the most part Im leaning strongly to real (and heavy) rock.
Thanks for the reply. I'm asking because I need to solve the stone vs. funds dilemma also. I have some reference photos of different stone and block walls..churches stone walls..store fronts etc. I would love to be able to use solid stone blocks but I think it will be cost prohibitive for me. Maybe not, depending on what I decide to do and the size of my project but I know its not going to be cheap. I'm still trying to work out a basic floor plan so I have a little way to go before I need to worry about wall construction. But, I am thinking about it. I'd like to have some idea of what to start pricing out...knowing that it can and will change.....lol.
Got it on that. I believe that the faux stone is the cheapest way to go. They can be made in such a way soas to be rather convincing (evidenced by the fact that I was fooled; but then again cleave would tell you "that isnt hard to do"). In any case they can be mass produced, colored or not, sealed vs. elements, shaped, cut, theyre lighter, can be made in predictable sizes and shapes making for ease of intallation etc.
I kinda go back and forth on this issue still. I believe another (forgot who) told me that ashlar could be trucked in from Pennsyvania for something like $6k a load (full dumptruck worth). I havent been able to contact any quaries that could confirm this - but Id likie too - so if anyone has any leads to contacting an East coast quarry Im all ears.
I kinda go back and forth on this issue still. I believe another (forgot who) told me that ashlar could be trucked in from Pennsyvania for something like $6k a load (full dumptruck worth). I havent been able to contact any quaries that could confirm this - but Id likie too - so if anyone has any leads to contacting an East coast quarry Im all ears.
I may have a quarry link or two in my bookmarks....I'll look. Remind me if I forget to hunt them down for you. I know I found some info ....hope I wasn't a bonehead and actually did save the info....
I was wondering what you thought about using as a binding fiber with in the mix?
I've got a few substances that might help if you need them. Using something to add strength can reduce the thickness in your slabs.
Wait a minute.....ashlar for 6 K a truck load???? what is it gold?
I mean ashlar is nothing but a block or slab that is some what smooth and square on three sides....unless your going for the really expensive stuff that is identical from one rock to another.
Is it Lime Stone? which is easily worked fresh from the ground but if its to be used in structures or load bearing as in a wall of a building, it must be dried in the sun for at least 3 months and is often left for several years.
What ever it is the Truck load seems kind of expensive to me, but I live in Oklahoma so I might be off the mark here.
I've got a few substances that might help if you need them. Using something to add strength can reduce the thickness in your slabs.
Wait a minute.....ashlar for 6 K a truck load???? what is it gold?
I mean ashlar is nothing but a block or slab that is some what smooth and square on three sides....unless your going for the really expensive stuff that is identical from one rock to another.
Is it Lime Stone? which is easily worked fresh from the ground but if its to be used in structures or load bearing as in a wall of a building, it must be dried in the sun for at least 3 months and is often left for several years.
What ever it is the Truck load seems kind of expensive to me, but I live in Oklahoma so I might be off the mark here.
Hey...found a few links for decorative concrete....the first one is pretty interesting
I'm thinking concrete may be an interesting way to build since it can be colored and textured and molded. My first choice would be to build out of solid stone the old castle way but hey, not sure I can afford that.
http://www.decorative-concrete.net/feature_04-15-04.php
http://www.gardenmolds.com/pages/howtos_photogallery.shtml
http://www.patio-construction.co.uk/ideal_pavers.htm
Scott drinks moat*#@er...I was a bonehead...I guess I didn't bookmark the quarries. www.verizon.com and do a yellowpages search. There are a ton of quarries...mostly granite...around here.
I'm thinking concrete may be an interesting way to build since it can be colored and textured and molded. My first choice would be to build out of solid stone the old castle way but hey, not sure I can afford that.
http://www.decorative-concrete.net/feature_04-15-04.php
http://www.gardenmolds.com/pages/howtos_photogallery.shtml
http://www.patio-construction.co.uk/ideal_pavers.htm
Scott drinks moat*#@er...I was a bonehead...I guess I didn't bookmark the quarries. www.verizon.com and do a yellowpages search. There are a ton of quarries...mostly granite...around here.
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